Posts Tagged ‘‘nanny state’ debate’

Social change through libertarian paternalism [re-post]

Thursday, September 2nd, 2010

Originally posted on 7 Aptil 2010.

Behavioural economics has been popularised by Richard Thaler and Cass Sunstein in their book Nudge and their nudge blog.

They describe their approach to public policy as libertarian paternalism, by which they mean:

It is both possible and legitimate for private and public institutions to affect behaviour while also respecting freedom of choice. Often people’s preferences are ill-formed, and their choices will inevitably be influenced by default rules, framing effects, and starting points. In these circumstances, a form of paternalism cannot be avoided.

Thaler and Sunstein’s idea is that if people have poor information the onus is on the state to create default positions that most people would choose given good information, and choice architecture to guide them to better choices.  They also like to leave people the option to reject the default if they want – accepting that right decision has subjectivity, and that adults should be free to be wrong.

Public policy choices are constructed both when governments act and when they don’t act.  It’s just that non-decision making can more easily be framed as not interfering.  In other words all governments are in some sense nanny-states.

Progressives need to distinguish between legitimate governance and nanny-statism (in the narrower sense), to accurately gauge the level of interference in their lives the public will see as legitimate.  This is where behavioural economics can help.

The first trap to avoid is the default of most politicians to doing what they can do, which is changing laws, regulations, and restructuring, rather than what will work. The second trap is a large gap between official pronouncements on desirable behaviour and the real world experience of people.

The Crimes (Substituted Section 59) Amendment Act 2007 (Anti-smacking legislation) is an example of both traps.  The purpose of the Act:

is to amend the principal Act to make better provision for children to live in a safe and secure environment free from violence by abolishing the use of parental force for the purpose of correction.

The public context of the law change was some horrific cases of child abuse.

In March 2010 Sue Bradford was reported as believing new figures from police on the impact of the so-called anti-smacking laws prove the legislation is working as intended.  Apparently police investigation has led to two people being prosecuted under the Crimes Act – presumably because the previous defence that existed no longer does.  Here, then, is the celebration of a law that caused no change, evidence of the first trap.

Trap two is that there is a chasm between the political consensus reached in the law change and sentient parents’ observed reality. Sue Bradford apparently believes that smacking is violence, no shades of gray – but to most people smacking by the vast majority of parents is not seen as a problem and they see it as unrelated to child abuse.

The expenditure of limited political capital on something to achieve no obvious change is unfortunate.

I can’t figure out how nudges would easily work for child abusers but I can work out a couple of ideas about just being anti-smacking.  I wouldn’t have attached the idea to the legislation.  I would have created a programme to increase parental control over children (what parent doesn’t want that!), launching off the existing SKIP programme and popular ideas such as the Super-Nanny’s naughty step and other positive parenting ideas.

Another example is the fanatical support for breastfeeding by health professionals such that bottle feeding almost can not be contemplated in open.  Perhaps I am stuck in a fallacy of a very limited universe, but why is it every mother I know has enough nous to gloss over whatever the nurses say and do what is best for them and their family anyway.

Having just been through antenatal classes I’m fairly sure a more balanced approach that focuses on the outcome of a healthy child rather than the input of breastfeeding is more likely to be accepted by parents.  I would spend the limited time on tactics to encourage latching and mixed breast and bottle approaches rather than the hard sell of breastfeeding as the be all and end all of baby health.

Both anti-smacking and pro-breastfeeding are attempts to create norms without respecting freedom of choice and without respecting the fact that when people do have good information they choose differently from the norm the state prefers through its agents.

Politicians have to understand that citizens have the right to be left alone.  Thaler and Sunstein’s book is called Nudge because they think nudges in the “right” direction are legitimate, pushes are not.

One change project that has worked well is drink-driving reduction.  A key element in the change was the host responsibility choice architecture.  The Sale of Liquor Act required elements like the provision of substantive food, non- and low-alcohol drinks and safe transport options.  It didn’t require that anyone have to use them just that they were there in licensed premises.  People were still free to choose.  But, for example, the designated driver could take that first non- or low-alcohol beverage and be more likely to remain sober.

There was also a long campaign directed at describing behaviour that accorded with values and behaviours the public valued, for example “Friends don’t let friends drive drunk” and various other treatments of the mate-ship theme.

In the manifesto for the next progressive government we should consider the utility of libertarian paternalism techniques to achieve sustainable, i.e. publicly legitimate, social change.

Darel Hall lives in Christchurch where he is involved in local government politics as part of the Christchurch 2021 grouping. He has a background in health promotion and tertiary education policy, having previously been president of the University of Canterbury Students’ Association (UCSA) and executive director of the Industry Training Federation, amongst other roles.  Between the first and last drafts of this post he welcomed Alexandra and Samantha to the World.

Shedding some light on the Nanny State

Wednesday, May 26th, 2010

I had been wondering which political website to hack into to demonstrate my theory that the compact fluorescent light bulb (CFL) proves the case for the Left, by way of a devastating critique of economic rationalism, and immensely entertaining side-notes on Nanny State issues.

But you know what most political blogs are like.  You scroll one or two cm too far down the comments and you are like “oh my god who are these people” followed by “what the world needs now is a more thoughtful and edifying approach to policy development and political discussion on the internet”.

So now I’ve found one, I’ve hacked in, and here I go…

Eighteen months since we Segwayed to the polls to vote Labour out, it is difficult to imagine a world where showerheads and light bulbs could become touchstone issues in the lead-up to a General election.  In these more enlightened times, a government can crush cars, insist on collecting the DNA of the innocent, and refuse to let you buy working ‘flu tablets, and no-one bats an eyelid.

But in those dark days, our leaders had become unfathomably arrogant.  Helen Clark had come into the lounge and said we shouldn’t use those old-style light bulbs.  Then, lordy, she marched on into the bathroom, and suggested limiting the amount of water that should be splashed on the naked bodies of informed consumers.

Let’s dispense with the showerheads thing quickly.  Sometimes Ministers ask departments for options papers. “Can you people give me some ideas around how we can whatever”. The department scuttles around. Papers are written that have options in them.  They are not government policy.  It is dirty pool to pretend that every option in every paper written by every graduate analyst constitutes things you can pretend the government is actively considering.  That is not a standard any government would wish to be beholden to.  But if you happen to have an old government, and the media is of a mind to go along with your mischief, suddenly you’re getting traction out of this stuff. Sigh.

But I said I wanted to talk about light bulbs.  Mr Edison was nearly right – invention, or at least this particular one, is 90% perspiration and 10% inspiration.  Only 10% of the electricity chewed up by an old school light bulb is spat out as visible light.  And there are 12 billion of the buggers.  One-third of those make the USA twinkle.  Happily, it turns out that in the ensuing 130 years, clever people have figured out much more efficient ways to help you stay up late.

Power use by bulb type

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_fluorescent_lamp

These new bulbs – largely CFLs but there are other kinds too – require less energy.  You therefore need to produce less energy, and the consumer uses less energy, and so they are easier on your planet and your wallet.  And this is where the humble light bulb, far from being a symbol of the Nanny State, is actually a rather nice example of where a sensible state intervention to regulate and direct the market is the right thing to do.  It is economically and environmentally rational to buy a CFL.

In February 2007, NZ’s Minister of Energy, David Parker, announced that we were going to catch up to Australia, at least in the light bulb department.  Australia has phased out incandescents, all gone by this year.  National scrapped it. “We are not going to be a government of compulsion” said Mr Key. “Consumers should be able to choose” he went on, and “I’ve had nine years of the Labour government telling me what light bulbs I can use!” he crowed at a pre-election tub-thumper in Upper Hutt.

Meanwhile, in the world, governments were moving to regulate in droves. The US – 4 billion bulbs remember – are phasing out by 2014.  In 2007 China, makers of 70% of the world’s bulbs, gave itself 10 years to phase them out.   Philippines – 2010.  Canada – 2012.  Malaysia – 2014. One of the first cabs off the rank incidentally was, ahem, Cuba, which swapped all incandescents for CFLs and banned their manufacture and import in 2005.

In September 2009, the European Union banned standard issue bulbs for the whole of Europe. And they’re serious too – the fine for making or importing a 100 Watt bulb in the EU is €50,000.  I bet Philips has stopped making them.  The market will decide…eventually.

There is a political philosophy that believes individuals are best placed to freely make consumption decisions because they will make self-enhancing and economically rational decisions.  But in order to let the market decide, we must have informed consumers, but they often aren’t.  And it relies on responsible producers, and sometimes they definitely aren’t.  And when it comes to the health of the planet, a common good if ever there was one, it would be nice if people made decisions in a common interest, rather than just self interest.

Those that ascribe to that political philosophy also see it as pretty fundamental that their right to choose in a free market is protected.  The phrase “I should be able to use whatever light bulb I want” might be a counter-argument to a Nanny State, but it also says “I reserve the right to make irrational choices”, which suggests you might need a nanny.  I cannot think of another sphere where anyone would sensibly insist on the right to use a 10 percent efficient and 130 year-old technology when far superior and cheaper options exist. (A chocolate fish for yours.)

The market appears to many to be responding rather slowly to the fact that the planet is choking. Governments  have attempted to come up with crazy schemes to turn things with planet-value into things with dollar value because that’s the value the market understands intrinsically.  We really need some new bottom-lines soon.

Let’s wrap up.  It’s been fun.  People like to imagine that showerheads and light bulbs were trivial (and yet egregious) examples of a more real issue around an arrogant and interfering government.  But they were also and equally examples of the politics of distraction.  When I’ve challenged my right wing friends to provide real and actual examples of Nanny State behaviour by the 5th Labour government, “light bulbs” and “shower heads” usually come second and third behind a particularly pernicious and persistent piece of misrepresentation called “banning smacking” – but that’s a story for another time.

Remember, the current government got elected in no small part because people said they were sick of being told what to do. But all centre-something governments will regulate, that’s what governments do.  The lesson here is about the difference between what old and new governments can do.  Our current  government has, without debate in many instances, eroded rights and restricted activities in a few quite serious areas, and yet the Nanny epithet doesn’t stick – yet.

Progressives have less of an ideological problem with flexing the arm of the State in the interests of society as a whole.   The challenge progressives have is to be clear and confident in our fundamental message that we do things for the common good, that we are interested in the well-being of everyone.  If that makes us nannies, well, then call me Mary Poppins.

National said the right to choose an outdated and inefficient lighting technology was part of what made it different from Labour.   It made the  lightbulb a symbol of the Nanny State. It worked so well for them politically that any sensible move by them on light bulbs is likely to be met with howls of outrage that National has become that which it sought to destroy.

Who knows, maybe people will feel more comfy with John Key rather than Helen Clark in the lounge discussing the filaments. But meanwhile, New Zealand now gets to be embarrassingly out of step with world opinion – and action – on reducing the costs of energy consumption, and it’s politically poisonous for National to do the right thing.

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Josh Williams grew up in Whanganui and lives in Wellington and has worked around the Education sector for a while now.  He agreed to write this guest post because David said his new website would have “White Papers” and Josh practically swooned.

Social change through libertarian paternalism

Wednesday, April 7th, 2010

Behavioural economics has been popularised by Richard Thaler and Cass Sunstein in their book Nudge and their nudge blog.

They describe their approach to public policy as libertarian paternalism, by which they mean:

It is both possible and legitimate for private and public institutions to affect behaviour while also respecting freedom of choice. Often people’s preferences are ill-formed, and their choices will inevitably be influenced by default rules, framing effects, and starting points. In these circumstances, a form of paternalism cannot be avoided.

Thaler and Sunstein’s idea is that if people have poor information the onus is on the state to create default positions that most people would choose given good information, and choice architecture to guide them to better choices.  They also like to leave people the option to reject the default if they want – accepting that right decision has subjectivity, and that adults should be free to be wrong.

Public policy choices are constructed both when governments act and when they don’t act.  It’s just that non-decision making can more easily be framed as not interfering.  In other words all governments are in some sense nanny-states.

Progressives need to distinguish between legitimate governance and nanny-statism (in the narrower sense), to accurately gauge the level of interference in their lives the public will see as legitimate.  This is where behavioural economics can help.

The first trap to avoid is the default of most politicians to doing what they can do, which is changing laws, regulations, and restructuring, rather than what will work. The second trap is a large gap between official pronouncements on desirable behaviour and the real world experience of people.

The Crimes (Substituted Section 59) Amendment Act 2007 (Anti-smacking legislation) is an example of both traps.  The purpose of the Act:

is to amend the principal Act to make better provision for children to live in a safe and secure environment free from violence by abolishing the use of parental force for the purpose of correction.

The public context of the law change was some horrific cases of child abuse.

In March 2010 Sue Bradford was reported as believing new figures from police on the impact of the so-called anti-smacking laws prove the legislation is working as intended.  Apparently police investigation has led to two people being prosecuted under the Crimes Act – presumably because the previous defence that existed no longer does.  Here, then, is the celebration of a law that caused no change, evidence of the first trap.

Trap two is that there is a chasm between the political consensus reached in the law change and sentient parents’ observed reality. Sue Bradford apparently believes that smacking is violence, no shades of gray – but to most people smacking by the vast majority of parents is not seen as a problem and they see it as unrelated to child abuse.

The expenditure of limited political capital on something to achieve no obvious change is unfortunate.

I can’t figure out how nudges would easily work for child abusers but I can work out a couple of ideas about just being anti-smacking.  I wouldn’t have attached the idea to the legislation.  I would have created a programme to increase parental control over children (what parent doesn’t want that!), launching off the existing SKIP programme and popular ideas such as the Super-Nanny’s naughty step and other positive parenting ideas.

Another example is the fanatical support for breastfeeding by health professionals such that bottle feeding almost can not be contemplated in open.  Perhaps I am stuck in a fallacy of a very limited universe, but why is it every mother I know has enough nous to gloss over whatever the nurses say and do what is best for them and their family anyway.

Having just been through antenatal classes I’m fairly sure a more balanced approach that focuses on the outcome of a healthy child rather than the input of breastfeeding is more likely to be accepted by parents.  I would spend the limited time on tactics to encourage latching and mixed breast and bottle approaches rather than the hard sell of breastfeeding as the be all and end all of baby health.

Both anti-smacking and pro-breastfeeding are attempts to create norms without respecting freedom of choice and without respecting the fact that when people do have good information they choose differently from the norm the state prefers through its agents.

Politicians have to understand that citizens have the right to be left alone.  Thaler and Sunstein’s book is called Nudge because they think nudges in the “right” direction are legitimate, pushes are not.

One change project that has worked well is drink-driving reduction.  A key element in the change was the host responsibility choice architecture.  The Sale of Liquor Act required elements like the provision of substantive food, non- and low-alcohol drinks and safe transport options.  It didn’t require that anyone have to use them just that they were there in licensed premises.  People were still free to choose.  But, for example, the designated driver could take that first non- or low-alcohol beverage and be more likely to remain sober.

There was also a long campaign directed at describing behaviour that accorded with values and behaviours the public valued, for example “Friends don’t let friends drive drunk” and various other treatments of the mate-ship theme.

In the manifesto for the next progressive government we should consider the utility of libertarian paternalism techniques to achieve sustainable, i.e. publicly legitimate, social change.

Darel Hall lives in Christchurch where he is involved in local government politics as part of the Christchurch 2021 grouping. He has a background in health promotion and tertiary education policy, having previously been president of the University of Canterbury Students’ Association (UCSA) and executive director of the Industry Training Federation, amongst other roles.  Between the first and last drafts of this post he welcomed Alexandra and Samantha to the World.

A Response to Feedback on the Work Programme

Thursday, March 25th, 2010

We’re getting towards the end of the feedback period on Policy Progress’s draft work programme – tomorrow (26th March) is the last day.

Much of the feedback to date has been pretty approving of my original suggestions, which I’ve been elaborating upon in this blog over the last few weeks. I have however received a couple of more challenging contributions, which I want to highlight and make an initial response to in this post.

Firstly, reader Zooey questions the overall balance of the proposed work programme:

Hi! Suggestion for a topic: “nanny state” issues and progressive government. The aim to lift families out of the dark ages of children “seen not heard” and physical punishment, with excellent resources such as SKIP – where does that stand now, considering the backlash we experienced about corporal punishment? How does a progressive government want to interact with society / community – is there a good case for better “social engineering”? Post-post-modern Feminism and “women’s issues” (the childcare debate…)

I hope you will have a slot for childcare / family / education-related issues. Must say so far the website has been a bit “male” (science, money …). Thank you for your time.

I think Zooey makes a reasonable point. In fact, this has been a slight nagging concern I’ve had about the balance of topics for a little while now, as subscribers to the e-newsletter and followers of the Facebook page will be aware.

On the other hand, I think three topics in 2010 is the maximum workload manageable, so if we added something in the childcare / family / education area, we would need to drop one of the ones I’ve previous proposed (Progressive Path to Prosperity, Theoretical Foundations or Fiscal Record).

I have suggested one other topic of more of a social policy orientation, and that’s child poverty and cycles of disadvantage. But I was proposing to do some initial work and thinking on this in 2010 before developing it into a full theme for 2011. In practical terms, that means there would be a number of blog posts this year but no formal report on this topic until after March 2011 when the current work programme finishes. Moreover, that topic is quite a bit different from the one Zooey was proposing, although both move away from the kind of science, money etc concerns Zooey saw as dominating.

Another consideration is the Theoretical Foundations topic. I think I may have created the impression that this is largely about the logic for whether to be economically interventionist or not. But it also applies to the separate but connected argument of when, how and on what basis to intervene in the social policy sphere as well. I’d been thinking about that mainly in terms of welfare state services and support, but the more I think about it, the issues around interventions in support of socially-desirable behaviours would be fascinating to cover as well. (And on a related note, I’ve got a guest post in the pipeline on the role that ‘choice architecture’ can play in that . . . )

What do you think about Zooey’s general point about balance, and specific suggestion? Might the Theoretical Foundations topic as clarified above address one or both of those? Or should we drop one of the previously proposed topics, and if so, which one? Leave a comment below!

Source: Ministry of Economic Development, Economic Development Indicators 2007, Figure 2.1, http://www.med.govt.nz/upload/53549/Indicators-Report-2007.pdf

The second bit of challenging feedback came when I outlined the various barriers to economic success that I saw as being the focus of the Progressive Path to Prosperity topic. I got the following comment from Big Cake, the sobriquet of the author of the bigcake.co.nz website, which is focussed on similar ‘NZ growth challenge’ issues:

. . . the big issue I think with your approach – and with the current Government’s – is the lack of vision. In a way it’s cart before horse.

We need to ask ‘what future do we want?’ and then work back from there.

Prevous economic-reform minded governments I think have come unstuck on this because the reforms they have put in place are often not politically sustainable long-term.

The current Government’s tax reforms and mining in national parks process look to be falling into this trap.

BigCake’s ‘growth sceptics’ who believe past reforms have failed to deliver so have no faith in current ones remain a force to be reckoned with.

We need to follow the track of Ireland and establish a consensus. Difficult if not impossible in the current circumstances.

This ‘cart before the horse’ criticism was echoed by regular commenter Achela who questioned whether pursuit of endless GDP growth should really be the default option.

I’ve given these challenges a bit of thought over the last day or two. I think Big Cake and Achela both raise important issues but I’m not convinced I should radically rethink this work programme topic in response.

I think Big Cake is planning some sort of project to address the “what future do we want?” question on his own site, and I wish him well with that. But I don’t feel that the Policy Progress think-site is really well-suited to tackling that task.

Partly this stems from some doubts I can’t shake about how tractable such an endeavour is. My progressive heart wants to believe it can and should be done, but my policy-analyst head remains to be convinced. (Self-professed non-progressive Nik makes an argument that recent attempts in this area have been fundamentally misguided; without necessarily accepting his argument in total, the experience with Knowledge Wave/GIF/Economic Transformation does probably contain some cautionary lessons.)

Moreover, I’m certain that there are a number of respectable progressives out there who would strongly argue against the government and/or society trying to envisage a particular model of our future economy. I would envisage phrases like ‘picking winners’, ‘manpower planning’ and ‘centralised decision-making’ would crop up a lot.

Therefore, I think the best service that Policy Progress can perform for the “what future do we want?” project is to try to establish (whether there is) a strong theoretical basis for the approach of having a particular economic vision and then taking action to achieve it. In other words, once again the Theoretical Foundations topic seems the appropriate place to address this gap (hat-tip to Achela for suggesting this).

If that’s the horse, what about the cart? Should Policy Progress hold off on identifying (and thinking about how to address) the issues holding New Zealand back economically, until we know where we want to go? I would argue, no.

As the graph above reminds us, New Zealand’s current current economic standing appears pretty dismal – even the low per capita GDP we current attain is only achieved by working more hours than just about everybody else. Yes, we might benefit from having a clearer and effective economic strategy. But I would argue that there are some pretty generic problems and obstacles that are holding us back whatever particular strategy we adopt. I think it’s worth diagnosing these and thinking about solutions alongside the bigger picture ‘vision’ stuff that Big Cake and others are embarked upon.

I also think that low productive output per hour worked shown in the graph addresses Achela’s point too, to some extent. The problems causing that are probably ones we want to tackle regardless of whether we buy into the economic growth paradigm – if we raise our productivity, that gives us more choices (a point Achela also makes).

Perhaps what these thoughtful challenges remind us is that we need to be careful in the Progressive Path topic to stress that this is just about addressing economic barriers and obstacles that block the path, rather than trying to define the destination.

But I’m interesting in hearing from you – do you agree with Big Cake and/or Achela’s critique? Does the Progressive Path topic need to change? Or do you think my response above adequately addresses their points? Leave a comment below!